Holly ([info]several_bees) wrote,
@ 2006-12-06 14:16:00
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Glasgow versus Edinburgh
There's been some controversy on livejournal recently about whether Glasgow or Edinburgh is better. People who got rained on in Glasgow in 1997 say it's Edinburgh; people who read a review of Trainspotting say it's Glasgow. As someone who just spent a week in Glasgow, but who also went to Edinburgh for a day on Friday, I feel I'm in a unique position to decide the matter properly.

Weather: In Edinburgh the weather is cold but fine. In Glasgow there is, all right, a lot of rain and wind. This is only a problem if you plan something outside that you wouldn't want to do wet and in a tree.

Museums: In Edinburgh the museums close as you reach them. In Glasgow, on the other hand, they've just undergone huge refurbishments culminating in themed rooms like "masks and disembodied heads" and "every painting we own with a kilt in it". In the room filled with stuffed animals and a Spitfire, there was a Scottish man explaining a moose to his bewildered child ("no, not a moose, a moose"), which made me very happy, but he might have gone by the time you get there.

Advertising: In Edinburgh most of the advertising is for tartan and bagpipes and shortbread kilts; there is a shop named "Thistle Do Nicely". In Glasgow, bus shelter advertisements warn that cocaine causes heart attacks, and pensioner radio station Saga regularly interrupts The Seekers and Bing Crosby with a public service announcement about how you shouldn't carry knives.

Carousels: Edinburgh's carousel has those seats on chains that swing out, while Glasgow's has horses with feather-dusters in their heads. Not plumes that look like feather-dusters: actual literal feather-dusters.

German Christmas markets: Both cities have one of these, where you can go to small wooden huts and buy food that combines German and Scottish sensibilities, like sauerchips or chipwurst.

Edinburgh's special feature: A road that led in the wrong direction, though to be fair it did end up in a strange alternate universe of ominous science-fiction houses and a huge spiky museum building (the sign said it was "Our Dynamic Earth", but it was a bit smaller than that). Edit: [info]hoshuteki reveals that the science-fiction dystopia houses are actually Scottish Parliament, brilliantly.

Glasgow's special feature: A visit to a glasshouse at the Botanic Gardens, which (the front page of the local paper later revealed) was at that very moment being reopened after a seven-million pound refurbishment. I was there two years ago, and the main difference seems to be that it has a string quartet and some reporters in it now.

To summarise in photographic form:



Glasgow lights:

Glasgow lights

Edinburgh lights:

Edinburgh lights

Glasgow graffiti:

Glasgow graffiti

Edinburgh graffiti:

Edinburgh graffiti

Glasgow carousels:

Glasgow carousel

Edinburgh carousels:

Edinburgh Ferris Wheel



In conclusion, they're both great, but Glasgow's better. It's still not as good as London, because London has (1) gingerbread; and (2) a talk on art crime at the V&A at seven o'clock tonight - we've got a spare ticket, so comment if you want to come. It lasts an hour and the museum is open afterwards. Details here.



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[info]hoshuteki
2006-12-06 01:27 pm UTC (link)
I feel this is terribly unfair to Edinburgh. Your science-fiction houses are the Scottish Parliament, and it's really great! A beautiful building, worth looking inside. Also, the New and Old Towns are lovely, and are a visible sign of heritage that stretch across much of the central cities. In the Old Town, it has streets which go not only in unexpected directions but some are up above and some are down below. If you go to say the Underbelly venue during the Festival, you really get a sense of the hidden vaults and passageways that go through the old town. Anyway, blah, I was born there, can you tell?

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[info]several_bees
2006-12-06 01:40 pm UTC (link)
Mm, it's ridiculous as a comparative review of course; I've just been annoyed a lot recently by people saying that Glasgow's rubbish because they dropped their phone while they were there once and nobody returned it, or they changed trains in Queen Street Station when they were 12 and it looked a bit cloudy. I was trying for obviously superficial nonsense, "I spent a day in Edinburgh so now I'm an expert!"-ily, but perhaps that only works if you've heard me grumbling about people dismissing Glasgow on no evidence. Which probably cuts down the primary target readership of the post to about 3.

So, er, yes, Edinburgh seems lovely; I know more of the good bits of Glasgow, but I've spent an awful lot longer there, so I'd expect to.

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[info]hoshuteki
2006-12-06 01:48 pm UTC (link)
Oh yes, Glasgow is perfectly fine. I've never lived there, so I can't really comment, but it seems nice, and has more cool places to go and more shops. In fact, it has some that are better than London imho.

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[info]whizzerandchips
2006-12-06 01:40 pm UTC (link)
Those shapes on the side of the parliament building look like silhouettes of the controllers you used to get with Scalextric.

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[info]bateleur
2006-12-06 01:56 pm UTC (link)
there was a Scottish man explaining a moose to his bewildered child

From which we infer there was a moose ? That would be a clear plus point for Glasgow. Places should contain mooses.

a shop named "Thistle Do Nicely"

Ouch.

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[info]verlaine
2006-12-06 02:20 pm UTC (link)
I think you'll find it was probably an elk.

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[info]bateleur
2006-12-06 02:23 pm UTC (link)
Elks look nothing like mice you fool.

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[info]several_bees
2006-12-06 02:54 pm UTC (link)
From which we infer there was a moose ?

Two, fighting. They were stuffed, mind. Maybe elk becomes moose when it's stuffed, like hens become chicken?

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[info]kevandotorg
2006-12-06 03:34 pm UTC (link)
Or kippers. The fighting things were stags, though.

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[info]joranj
2006-12-06 03:45 pm UTC (link)
Is 'mooses' really the correct plural for 'moose'?

Yes, it seems logical, it just sounds wrong.

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[info]several_bees
2006-12-06 03:47 pm UTC (link)
Aha, it seems to be "moose", actually.

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[info]bateleur
2006-12-06 03:47 pm UTC (link)
I do occasionally feel the need to pluralise it as "moosen", but that's probably wrong too.

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[info]joranj
2006-12-06 02:13 pm UTC (link)
I think that it's quite a fair summary, actually. I'd but them both in the 'A' list, although personally I'd give Edinburgh the edge, mainly for being build on a dormant volcano that could explode at any moment.

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[info]several_bees
2006-12-06 02:56 pm UTC (link)
Ah, yes, I'd forgotten that, brilliant. And the "Our Dynamic Earth" museum had a "Journey to the Centre of the Earth", which involved drilling down from Edinburgh cobblestones to the core and then out the other side, which we all know from science fiction is bound to prod the volcano into action eventually.

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[info]wringham
2006-12-06 05:35 pm UTC (link)
I live in Glasgow but spent much of my youth in Edinburgh, coming up from Birmingham with my folks for the fest.

The conclusion that most people come to is that Glasgow is better for living in and Edinburgh is better for visiting. Having said that, it depends what you want. The Glasgow art and music scene is certainly the best in the whole UK at the moment.

LOVE your photo of the Nymph. here is a less interesting one I took of the Kibble Palace and one of some glasshouse cacti.

On the topic of Glasgow/Edinburgh comparisons, check out the 'humourous' book, Weegies Vs. Edinbuggers.

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[info]several_bees
2006-12-07 12:45 pm UTC (link)
I've only been to Edinburgh a few times, so obviously I don't know what I'm talking about when I spurn it so cruelly, but my dad lives in Glasgow so I've been up there for eighteen months worth of Decembers and Januaries, over the years. And yet I'd never heard the word "weegie".

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[info]wringham
2006-12-07 01:00 pm UTC (link)
And yet I'd never heard the word "weegie"

Wha? Really? That's like 'Brummie' is in Birmingham or something. Though it has more of a derogatory cultural connotation, oft referring to those less classy Glaswegians from (hold your nose, dear) the East End.

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[info]being_haunted
2006-12-06 06:26 pm UTC (link)
This has aided me greatly in my holiday decision making. I thank you!

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[info]several_bees
2006-12-07 12:38 pm UTC (link)
They're only 45 minutes from each other by train, so easy enough to get up to whichever you don't go to for an afternoon.

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[info]miss_newham
2006-12-06 08:39 pm UTC (link)
Glasgow is better because it has a tube! Edinburgh has the plus point of [info]hoshuteki's granny, but she lives 20 miles away.

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[info]several_bees
2006-12-07 12:37 pm UTC (link)
Oh, and Glasgow has Charles Rennie Mackintosh stuff everywhere, in massively excessive and therefore delightful profusion. Mackintosh-style lettering on a chalked pub-quiz advertisement!

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[info]scribblette
2006-12-08 12:13 am UTC (link)
Would that I had your wit all of the time, instead of my brief moments of brilliance once a year. *sobs* definitely hope I wind up going that way, would be fantastic to see just how dull these places are in person. *grin*

naw, fantasticly fun read, great picture narrative. :)

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[info]levez
2006-12-08 09:18 am UTC (link)
Edinburgh at night has lovely light features, far more than the one sad string of Xmas lights would suggest. In the city center, all the big old stone buildings are lit up, making everything look like some kind of computer game from the early days of discovering how to have purple lights on, for the first time. Quite lovely actually. Not been to Glasgow. Yet.

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[info]thewronghands
2006-12-08 02:26 pm UTC (link)
I was terribly amused by this whole post, and now want to go back to Scotland. See what you've done? (I've not been to Glasgow, but I liked Edinburgh much better than London.)

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[info]several_bees
2006-12-09 10:50 am UTC (link)
Gosh, despite your Scottish severed-heads book?

Edinburgh is, I think, more friendly to casual visitors than either London or Glasgow, but you should go to Glasgow somewhen anyway; it is lovely, and my dad's up there so I can pop up for a few days any time and show you around.

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[info]thewronghands
2006-12-09 10:26 pm UTC (link)
Well, no one in Scotland has tried to behead me yet, not even [info]ravenblack's Dad. So I'll chalk that one up to history rather than current events. [grin] I would like to go to Glasgow sometime. [info]ravenblack and I were discussing a possible summer excursion -- I was thinking Glasgow and the Isle of Man, maybe, if you would be interested in things like that.

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[info]suse_dol_amroth
2008-07-16 10:41 am UTC (link)
Unfair but braw! How I enjoy living near Aberdeen :-D

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