Holly ([info]several_bees) wrote,
@ 2006-07-28 20:43:00
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Mediaeval science; stories. Titles, feh.
So, remember Sixteen Across, those short stories I was writing as part of my thesis on online fiction? A handy combination of crossword clues, interlocking fiction and map of Adelaide, ideal for anyone who wants to make an appointment in the city centre and then have a good excuse for not turning up. I've busily spent the last few months working on the other part of the thesis (current status: 180 footnotes and rising) and eroding the readership of the stories to occasional strangers searching for "discoloration of thumbnail", "fifteen there's still time when she walking down town", "thicken arms photoshop", and "is there supposed to be hair down there".

In today's exciting news (well, last week's exciting news really), new stories are being posted again, with extra hints (the solution to each one is an answer to the first question asked within it), the ability to check your answers, and a livejournal feed of links to new stories at [info]16across. Exciting puzzles! Sinister characters! Suggestions that maybe I'm more nervous about moving than I thought! The perils of colouring your hair! Mysterious robot ghosts, or, um, something! An ongoing attempt to convince myself that editing things manically after they're posted is justifiable because mutability is a primary characteristic of online fiction, and that a four-month gap is a demonstration of the importance of maintaining regularity in installment-based fiction!

If you're not interested in short stories, though, have a quotation from the twelfth-century Natural History of Adelard of Bath, which I've only just discovered exists and which is fantastic, though it doesn't seem to be online.
Nephew: So solve this problem for me first: Why don't men have horns?

Adelard: In order to establish that your question is worth answering, you must first bring forth some true or likely reason why it seems they ought to have them. Otherwise such a question does not merit discussion among philosophers. For I am not one who thinks we should struggle to find the causes of all the things that exist, but only of those things which seem to reason that they should be otherwise than they are.

Nephew: That is a reasonable demand. Here is my explanation: Everything which the Creator brought forth from formless nothing into the form of being, just as it was made by the Best, so, reason shows us, was made in the best possible way. The Creator gave to all the things he made the capability of existing, and they have a strong desire to exist. And so that they might preserve their existence they were given the means to defend themselves. Some animals (and it is these I am talking about) have weapons which are part of their substances—for example, the boar has tusks, the lion claws, the bull horns—by which they can defend themselves from any danger which threatens them. Now I ask you why, when the lower animals have inborn means of defense, man, who is more worthy than all the rest of nature, is not born with any weapons, such as horns or lethal tusks, and cannot even avoid a threatening enemy by swiftness of flight.

Adelard: First I will give the popular answer. For I believe that man is dearer to the Creator than all the other animals. Nevertheless it does not happen that he is born with natural weapons or is suited for swift flight. But he has something which is much better and more worthy, reason I mean, by which he so far excels the brutes that by means of it he can tame them.

Indeed, man is a rational, and therefore a social animal, particularly suited for two types of activity, namely action and deliberation, which some people like to call war and peace. His day by day experience teaches him that the use of weapons is required for warlike activities, but truth teaches him to lay these aside in times of peace and to remove them from his thoughts. Indeed, anger stirs up one of these, and reason calms the other. And so if he had natural weapons, he would not be able to put them aside when he was making a treaty of peace.
Apparently he also covers whether stars are animals, and what they eat if so, though I haven't got to that bit yet.



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[info]ravenblack
2006-07-28 11:43 am UTC (link)
Only some stars are animals. Rob Schneider for example. He eats The Carrot.

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[info]ouchfest
2006-07-28 11:45 am UTC (link)
Stars eat themselves to death.

Have you read (or heard of) House of Leaves by Marc Danielewski? Your thesis reminds me of it. One of my favorite books.

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[info]several_bees
2006-07-28 12:08 pm UTC (link)
I haven't read it, but mm, I've heard of it - in the form "a book with show-off typography that somehow isn't annoying", initially. I read a couple of reviews and put it on my to-read list a year or so ago, and it's come up in the reading for the theory part of the thesis since then (as an example of "ergodic literature" I think), but I haven't got around to it yet. I'm overdue for a recent-ish novel, actually, it's all been non-fiction and 1920s satire lately; I'll have a look for a copy.

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[info]several_bees
2006-07-28 12:10 pm UTC (link)
I'll have a look for a copy

Well, unless someone now convincingly tells me it's rubbish and I shouldn't bother, I'm very easily swayed.

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[info]ouchfest
2006-07-28 10:48 pm UTC (link)
Okay, I just found several explanations of the word "ergodic," and I can't see exactly how the word applies here. Is HoL representative of all literature, or does it flow in accord with chaos theory like underground magma?

What was the other person's reason for telling you it's rubbish?

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[info]several_bees
2006-07-29 01:13 am UTC (link)
Is HoL representative of all literature, or does it flow in accord with chaos theory like underground magma?

Um, I don't know. I don't even particularly know what "ergodic" means, I've just had to read a dozen essays that keep saying it. Poking around a bit, it seems to mean "stuff that's a bit hard to read, arguably, that you have to put some literal physical effort into interpreting, for example reading it out of order or something". The bit about being representative of all literature probably means that the physical effort put in is arguably a metaphor for or a concretised version of the readings that people have to do for anything, in which there is a non-literal effort of, um, thinking.

I have no idea what the bit about chaos theory and underground magma is - is HoL a big pile of molten rock by any chance? Non-linearity I suppose. Oh do try to ignore humanities people when they talk about chaos theory though.

The other person's reason was something to do with, well, the effort required to read it and piece together a narrative making it seem gimmicky to them. On the one hand I think amusing gimmicks are great (hence "I know, I'll write a load of stories in the form of a crossword!"); on the other hand, I'm lazy.

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[info]hengist_pod
2006-08-01 12:26 am UTC (link)
The term 'ergodic' was coined/defined by Espen Aarseth in his book _Cybertext_, I think. It's very dull though so if you've not already read it I shouldn't bother.
And hello, is it OK if I add you to my friends list? I'm enjoying your crossword thingy, and we share at least one interest.

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[info]several_bees
2006-08-01 08:42 am UTC (link)
No, I haven't read it yet; I'm planning to at least glance through, but I have a bit of a careless bias towards things that aren't called Cybertext: Perspectives on Ergodic Literature when I'm choosing something to take with me on the bus.

And mm, the friends-listing is OK of course. Glad you're enjoying the crossword. And I suspect your "never finishing anything ever" beats my "not finishing things", as interests go.

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[info]huskyteer
2006-07-28 12:24 pm UTC (link)
I like the theory from The Sword in the Stone: that Man has no defences because in the beginning, when all the animal embryos were choosing what shape they wanted to be, Man chose not to alter the shape God had already given him, so he remains embryo-shaped for life.

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[info]nja
2006-07-28 02:12 pm UTC (link)
Plato tells a similar story in the Protagoras (or to be accurate, Plato's Socrates reports Protagoras as telling the story). Epimetheus is given the job of handing out attributes to the animals, and does it in such a way that there's a balance of power so they don't die out (e.g. predators are rare and with few offspring, while their prey are fecund). Unfortunately he forgets to save any fur, tusks, wings or hooves for humans, so Prometheus has to steal Athene's technology and Hephaestus's fire, with the well-known bad consequences.

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[info]several_bees
2006-07-28 02:33 pm UTC (link)
Aha. Adelard quotes Plato quite a bit (referring to him as "the Philosopher", rather sweetly), but mostly just the Timaeus; I get the impression that that was pretty much all the Plato he had access to. Probably a good thing really, there's already quite a lot of it that's just him saying "er, yeah, what Plato said".

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[info]scribblette
2006-08-02 10:51 am UTC (link)
That's a pleasant read, though my mouth has to grow back to proportions capable of chewing such writs comfortably without fearing I might find myself choking on the gris of unchewed... chewie... stuffness. Gah, my vocab. I'd love to see the bit about whether stars are animals. :)

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